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darkphantom
10/23/2001
23:37:43 |
 Subject: UFO's and Alien Life
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I just wanted to know everyones opinion about UFO's and the possibility of life on other planets. What are your beliefs about this? Do you think the earth is being visited by aliens from outer-space, etc? I'm interested in this subject and I'm interested in everyones opinion.
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jabart
10/23/2001
23:57:16 | ... graffiti on Government installation wall...
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I saw a disc up in the air
A silvery disc that wasn't there
Two more weren't there again today
Oh how I wish they'd go away....
....anonymous
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cheetah
10/24/2001
03:00:52 | my opinion...
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...as a amateur astronomeur is that it's almost certain that there is life on other planets.
Looking trhough my 10" Dobsonian Telescope I can se thousands times more stars than with a naked eye.
All the stars we see at night are from our galaxy. But there are hundreds of thousand of those galaxyes.. Looking to andromeda galaxy (a pair of binoculars is enough) you get an impression of how big the universe is. Andromeda looks like a silver dust disc very far away but It's bigger than our own galaxy!!!
As to UFO's, I believe some people believe they saw an UFO, I believe they did see some strange unexplainable thing but I stil can't believe in space ships etc. because it is something much to recent and influenced by our culture.
In Europe, hundreds of years ago, people related cases of being visited at night by wichtes and demons.
Today they claim to be visited by aliens. This is called the sleeping paralysis sindrom. You are half awake and half asleep and you have allucinations wich are influenced by your past experiences.
So, when the 'canals' where discovered in Mars people started talking about martians, movies like War of The Worlds and Orson Welles radio progam etc helped building up the UFO culture.
The film of my life is Spielbergs E.T.
And Star Wars? Wow! I was just a kid when I saw those but I've kept the fascination for life on other planets and space travel... hope I never grow up :)
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calmrolfe
10/24/2001
04:03:57 |
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I agree with Cheetah, it is 100% certain that life has evolved elsewhere in the Universe. I wouldn't even give up hope of finding life elsewhere in this solar system. the moons Europa and Titan look to have features which might enable some form of life to exist.
Unless Einsten is wrong with his theory of relativity then UFO's cannot visit our planet, they would have to travel faster than the speed of light to accomplish this and Einstein surmised that that wasn't possible.
The UFO's that we spot are man made experimental craft, thats why they are most commonly seen over places like Nevada, where many weird and wonderful craft are tested. Here in Britain we have regular sightings on the West Pennine Moors of a strange UFO. It is usually seen at 7am flying low over the largely uninhabited moors. However, it should be borne in mind that the moors are not far from Warton Aerodrome and it is strongly rumoured that the British Army is soon to acquire a remotely piloted stealth aircraft which will fly low for reconnaisance purposes, to fix enemy troop positions etc.
Kind regards,
Cal
PS I once chatted to an old RAF pilot who told me that when the Second World War ended a lot of the German experimental planes were shipped to a holding hangar in Britain, pending their transport to US. Apart from the V2 rockets he said that a saucer shaped craft was amongst the craft stored at the hangar. Is it any co-incidence that just 3 years later similar sightings were made (flying) in the US ?
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disaster
10/24/2001
16:34:59 |
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i wrote a paper on aliens and ufos and i read like a ton of books the eveidence is amazing i believe in them like i have seen bigfoot
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superfreak
10/24/2001
17:02:03 | Travelling faster than light
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I think it is entirely possible. If anyone knows about quantum physics. Then you might know what i am talking about. I do not know much about it so if you do can you please explain it. I do not want to confuse anyone.
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disaster
10/24/2001
17:48:28 |
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hmmmmm superfreak is interested in quantum physics hmmmmmm i know some one who is interested in quantum physics but he got deleted i am sure you know who i am talking about
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rayape
10/24/2001
21:51:22 |
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there is nothing wrong with aliens
....i am one zot from zoy
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krazeydazey
10/26/2001
14:58:35 | Heck yeah! Lets all greet the mother ship! :)
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Einsten was a great man, there is no doubt of that. However, if I were to take the word of Einsten or the word of at least one eye witness account of thousands being correct...I would have to go with the later though. I mean the odds of all those accounts (every single one) being wrong is nearly impossible, I think. Anyhow, I totally believe in life on other plants and to think that we are more advanced or smarter than all that other life would be very shallow of us.
Oh...and as far as this being a modern or recent thing. Sightings have been recorded for literally hundreds of years...some theoretically dating back to Egyptian and Biblical times. UFOs in the media began to boom though in summer 1947 with the sighting of Arnold (a US pilot) which was the same year about a month before the Roswell crash. However, many sightings predate the invention of the airplane in 1867. Maybe all of those people just saw huge balls of swamp gas, the sun, or big birds.
~Kaydee
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edmaster
10/26/2001
15:18:45 | ABOUT LIFE ON OTHER WORLDS
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I HAVE STUDIED ASTRONOMY AND UFOLOGY SINCE I WAS 10 ALSO!AND I HAVE STUDIED MATHEMATICAL CALCULATIONS ON THE POSSIBILITY OF ADVANCED CIVILIZATIONS ON OTHER PLANETS IN OUR GALAXY SUCH AS THE DRAKE PRINCIPLE ON TO DETERMINE THIS POSSIBILITY.
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baseballman3000
10/26/2001
20:19:47 |
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I think there is life out there but not all of them are highly civilized yet and the ones that are and can come and visit us see our potential, our fear, and our danger to ourselves so they will wait until we are mature eneough.
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bigduke6
10/26/2001
20:28:06 | UFO's?
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Well...here;s my theory...I have no proof of life on another planet, however, it would be foolish (from my perspective) to think that we have the only inhibited planet running around out here. Meditate on this...what's making all those little designs in the wheat fields? I had a dream that I was attacked by aliens once when I was a little kid. I am just as curious as all of you as to whether or not there is life on other planets, and I believe that there is. However, I would like to know how they get those little spaceships to move so fast because I am sick of getting stuck in traffic.
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cheetah
10/27/2001
04:32:30 | ...
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There isn't a single credible UFO proof.
I think Roswell crash was magnified by USA government, like a prelude to the cold war, making the world believe they had Alien Technology. This is just my opinion, but it is a fact that the military kept very secret about it and treath witnesses not to tell waht they saw.
And why would Aliens chose USA?
I never hear of a single Alien visit in Portugal. Are we to small to be visited? :))
But we have something called Fatima's Miracle.
Now it's a christian very important sanctuary.
Thre small children, in the 50's, related they saw a light in the sky, and that Virgin Mary talked to them, and told them 3 secrets. The Pope just canonized the three children a few years ago. Now think... those kids lived in a very opressive religious family, they saw something and they said they'd seen Virgin Mary. If they had seen UFO's in a movie they would say it was an E.T.
The secrets where made up my the Portuguese dictature (fascist) who profitaded of this case to political interests, they were about the danger of comunism etc.
The one who told me this, was a priest who wrote a book about Fatima's miracle. He says that religion doesn't need 'miracles' that miracles aren't like 'lights and stuff like that', life is a miracle, making miracles up will only make smart people think religion is for the weak of mind.
I agree.
I think we all wish it was true, that aliens came visit us, this meant we where not alone. Last night looking trough my scope at night (150x magnification) I felt dizzy looking at all those stars moving so fast (due to the earth moving)... so fast.. like a small spaceship, in wich we all are. If we all looked at the stars once in a while there would be no wars, no anger...
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lokuzt
10/27/2001
07:26:07 | UFO's: Don't belive in them...
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still, I do belive that there is a possibilty of them existing. And if there is intelligent alien life out there, it will very likely be on a similar level of developement as ours.
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darkphantom
10/28/2001
01:25:00 | Cheetah
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I have to say this: I believe in the miracle at Fatima! I am not Catholic, but I have to say I believe this happened. I have read much about this and I have the movie, "Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima" and I believe it. Lucia is still alive and she still insists it is true. She is, I believe 90 something years old. I believe this is true, as I believe also that the story of Bernadette at Lourdes is also true. I respect everyone who does not believe this, but I do believe this. I have to believe that God would want people to know something about His wishes and I do believe that maybe...just maybe this was a way He chose to make people believe. In any event, it is a VERY interesting theory. I have always been interested in this phenomena and I also have always been interested in UFO's. I, myself, do believe that this planet has been visited by other civilizations from other planets. I know this is hard for many to believe. Long ago, know one believed there was any lands outside the known world. They believed the world was flat and that there was nothing outside that. They finally discovered what is now America. I think that is what is happening with outer space. There almost has to be planets in space that are FAR more advanced than our own. It is very difficult for us to imagine this, but I think it must be so. What do we think the whole VAST Universe must be...dead???? No, I think it must be full of life and that would show us something we primitive earthlings could hardly understand. One reason is because many think it would interfere with our religious beliefs. I do not believe this, as I only think it shows the immense power of God. I do believe earth has been visited repeatedly by aliens, and I do believe this shows that we are relatively primitive here on earth in our scientific advances. If we were not so, then I think we would not be so war-like, etc. We have a lot to learn here on earth, and I think that we are FAR behind other civilizations that exist out there in the great unknown!
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cheetah
10/28/2001
02:38:43 | darkphantom
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I've said I believe there is inteligent life, but I just don't believe they visited us.
I strongly admire you for your beliefs and faith. What I prefer to think about Fatima is that no mather what hapened, now, it is a very special place for everyone, full of peace and love, and that is the proof of the existence of God, miracles aside.
Sometimes I want to believe in certain things but I just can't, and that is a fault, not a virtue, a virtue I miss, cause when I was a kid the world seemed much more magical and wonderfull. As I get wiser (I'm only 24 :)) I tend to be much more tolerant and open to new views...
ps: if I see an UFO with my telescope, I'll let you know!! :))
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darkphantom
11/07/2001
00:10:25 | Cheetah
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I have a telescope too, and PLEASE let me know if you see anything suspicious! You are a good friend and I respect your opinions also. Maybe I am stupid for believing that there is life in outer-space. I just can't believe that out there, in that vast Universe there is nobody. I think there must be and I do have to say I think they have visited us on planet earth. Like krazeydazey said, I can't see how all the people who have reported seeing something could be wrong. You know a long time ago everyone believed the world was flat and that there was NOTHING beyond that. Then they discovered the new world and it already had some people there. I think that is what is going on now. We can't comprehend that other civilizations in the Universe could be so much more advanced than we are. And I do believe that something very unusual happened at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. I think the USA government discovered something that they do not want the people or the world to know about. That is just my opinion, but something about it all is very strange. First they said it was a weather balloon, then they said it was something else and finally they said it was a "test" with dummies. This was supposed to explain why some witnesses reported seeing alien bodies. Why did they change the excuse so many times??? It is very possible that if there is life in this Universe that it is FAR more advanced than here on earth. I think we are still in our primitive phase. I am taking astronomy this semester at college and the scientist that teaches our class said that most scientists are certain there is life on other planets in the universe, but he also said he doesn't believe that life on other planets has visited earth because our knowledge can't see how it could be done. That is what I am trying to say. We are primitive in this universe I believe and we can't understand it because we are not that advanced. Still I appreciate and understand everyone who has a different opinion.
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zoobrenok
11/14/2001
21:38:30 | As per Jesus..
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We are aliens on this earth waiting for better place upon his return.
As per me -- there is no UFO whatsover.
And there is no life on another planet.
Why? - Becase there were no evolution!
God created everything and as per Bible, he created life only on earth and all the stars are just so there will be light on earth. Bible does not say that God made creatures elsewhere so it means that he did not.
ANd while evolution theoretically possible, it did not have enough time as Universe is less then ten thousand years old and per evolution theory, it needs to take billions of years for menkind to evolve.
By the way -- can you imagine that God created it all for us to enjoy??????
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darkphantom
11/14/2001
22:35:28 | UFO's and the Roswell Incident
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I have always been interested in UFO's and the possibility of life in outer-space. Most scientists now think that it is almost certain that there is other life-forms on other planets. The Universe is a vast place and it is very likely there is other life on other planets that is far superior to the civilizations on planet Earth. This is an essay I wrote for a writing class at college. It expresses my opinion, but I carefully researched this. I respect everyone's opinion that differs from mine, and this is not meant to say anything against religion, because I definitely deeply believe in God, but I also think that life on other planets is proof that God is super powerful, and in no way detracts from religion here on earth. Here is the essay:
"No Earthly Explanation"
On July 4, 1947, during a ferocious thunderstorm, in the dark hours of early morning, an unidentified flying object fell from the sky and crashed in the high desert of Lincoln County, New Mexico, 60 miles north of the small town of Roswell. Glenn Dennis, a Roswell mortician, said he received a phone call on Tuesday, July 8, 1947, from the mortuary officer at Roswell Army Air Base, asking him if he could supply hermetically sealed caskets about three or four foot long. The officer called Dennis back an hour later asking him how to handle bodies that had been exposed out in the desert for four or five days. On the same day, First Lieutenant Walter Haut, public relations officer at Roswell Army Airfield, issued a press release stating that the Army Air force had recovered a flying disc. The story had went out around the world when, hours later, Brigadier General Roger Ramey, commander of the 8th Air Force, made the announcement that a mistake had been made and the discovered object was only a weather balloon. The unidentified object had been recovered, examined by Army officials, including base intelligence officer, Major Jesse Marcel, who believed the debris was not from Earth because of its strange properties. Despite eye-witnesses, who told of seeing a crashed saucer and five alien bodies (numerous accounts said one alien was still alive), the government flatly denied a crashed saucer had been found. Witnesses were intimidated, threatened with death, and one witness, a nurse at the army base, told Glenn Dennis she had assisted pathologists who performed autopsies on the aliens. Dennis said he never saw the nurse again and was told later that she died in a plane crash. Over the years the government has continually denied the Roswell incident and continues to claim it has no knowledge of alien visitations to Earth; but are thousands of witnesses to UFO's lying about what they have seen or is the government concealing the most sensational "news" of the century? Although some people believe there is no government cover-up, US officials may be hiding the truth about UFO's to avoid panicking the public and for technological and military reasons.
Unless the many witnesses to the Roswell crash who have came forward over the years are all lying, the government may have discovered in 1947 that life does indeed exist on other worlds; but government officials may be covering up what they know about extraterrestrial visitors to prevent public panic over fear of the unknown and fear of an invasion from outer-space. In the book, The Rainbow Conspiracy, by Brad Steiger and Sherry Hansen Steiger, the authors relate how General Douglas MacArthur, while addressing the graduating class at West Point in 1962, told the class that the Earth now dealt with things that were not "of this world alone" (9). He went on to say that Earth now deals with the "ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy" (9). It is human nature to fear the unknown and the public might well be afraid of an alien race that could differ tremendously from humans. Most Americans do not think of the kind, lovable alien from the movie E.T. when they consider what beings from other planets might be like. The public often thinks of aliens as hideous, ruthless beings with ominous plans, like those depicted in the movies: Alien, Independence Day, War of the Worlds, and V. Many people have described close encounters with alien beings who were grotesque, foul smelling, and exhibited frightful, paranormal physical feats. Space visitors have frequently been described as having huge, bulbous heads, with large, lidless, "lifeless" eyes and little or no mouths, ears or nostrils. Aliens from other worlds may not have the same emotions that humans possess, may not have compassion for Earth people and might possibly consider humans as a food source, as humans do animals on this planet. People could suffer from deep emotional problems and disillusionment by learning aliens exist and discovering what they always have believed may not be accurate. Most Americans have been brought up to believe that UFO's, aliens, and life on other planets is a fantasy. It could be a rude awakening to find out that alien civilizations have existed possibly far longer than the civilization on Earth. Religious beliefs might be called into question. People may ask how sacred writings, such as The Holy Bible, connect with life on other planets. Psychological problems could easily develop for people if they found out they may have been "brainwashed" into believing something that may not be entirely factual.
The public might also have fears of an invasion from space if the government admitted UFO's are real. The government found out in 1938 how the public would react, when an unprecedented panic developed from the Orson Wells' broadcast, War of the Worlds, which realistically reported an alien invasion from Mars. In his book, Aliens From Space, Major Donald E. Keyhoe related how pandemonium broke out among thousands of citizens as a result of the broadcast. People who tuned into the program late had not heard the announcement that the broadcast was fictional and thousands of people left their homes, causing a desperate mass departure of terrified citizens in several eastern states. The confusion lasted around three hours until emergency broadcasts assured the public that the invasion broadcast was fictional. Many people were injured "in traffic accidents, and others collapsed from heart attacks" (31). An alien race could have plans for dominating the earth and controlling the Earth's inhabitants. Any alien race that has conquered the problem of space travel, would certainly be far more intelligent than Earthlings, and probably feel superior to what they would most likely consider an "inferior" race. There would be little doubt that most people would realize that an alien race that was capable of traveling vast distances through space, would certainly have the capability to conquer this planet if they chose to do so. Knowing aliens were visiting Earth could cause millions of people to suffer from a fear of being "abducted." There have been many accounts of people who have been abducted by alien beings who examined them and showed a great interest in learning more about Earthlings. Government officials may feel revealing any information they may be hiding is not worth the price of the panic it would most certainly cause.
The government may also be hiding the facts concerning UFO's for technological reasons. If the government possesses knowledge it has learned from an alien race or their technology, the officials would most likely want to keep it to themselves in order to prevent other nations of Earth from obtaining the information. This advanced knowledge could definitely keep the United States well ahead of other nations in technology. If other nations are prevented from finding out about any advanced technology obtained from civilizations from other worlds, the US could remain confident in maintaining its lead indefinitely. Access to advanced technology could provide the United States with the ability to "discover" new technology that could make other nations inferior to the US. America could "leap" past other nations in the field of technological study by "skipping" much of the work it takes to develop new technology. In his book, The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry, Dr. J. Allen Hynek (a former scientific consultant to the US Air Force on the matter of UFO's), said he believed that when the matter of UFO's is finally settled, it would not be a small step in the advancement of science, but a "mighty and totally unexpected quantum jump" (264). As Hynek suggested, the US could benefit from alien "help" by developing new forms of energy and new inventions. Perhaps some of the technology that has been developed in recent years has been assisted by what the government knows about UFO's. There are some people who believe the strange-shaped, formerly top-secret, Stealth Bomber is a product of technology learned from an alien source. The technology used to develop the Stealth aircraft was certainly advanced and utilized new techniques, materials, and designs that had never been tried before. The government would not be eager to share secret information of advanced technology with other nations, just as the US did not want to share the secrets of the Atomic Bomb when it was developed.
Government officials could have good reason to hide facts about UFO's in order to use any obtained advanced technology for military reasons. In an article in the October 16, 1997, Bozeman Daily Chronicle, writer Tim Neville relates how a UFO researcher, Robert Hastings, obtained previously classified documents concerning UFO's and the military through the Freedom of Information Act. Most of the documents had portions deleted and the article related how Hastings feels that "the government still isn't telling all" (A7). If the government has access to alien technology, this could contribute enormously to keeping the US military in the lead. The government would not want to admit that it is covering up information concerning UFO's if that information could benefit other nations militarily. Preventing other countries from finding out secret information that could be used to increase the might of their armed forces would be a good reason to deny a cover-up of UFO knowledge. The US military, if armed with more advanced and superior weapons, could feel confident of maintaining their lead over other nations and be able to intimidate the world in order to achieve US objectives. Having knowledge learned from a super-advanced alien technology could be used to develop new weapons of war such as the Stealth Bomber previously mentioned. The US has already developed advanced cruise missiles and laser-guided bombs. When Ronald Reagan was president, there was talk of developing a "Star Wars" defense against a nuclear missile attack, and that idea is now being resurrected to guard the US against the increasing number of countries developing nuclear weapons. There is a possibility that the technology used to develop these advanced weapons could have come from a source not originating on Earth. New spy "planes" and satellites could be developed for surveillance of other countries and keep the US informed of their actions. There has already been work done on an "anti-satellite" that would destroy the communication and surveillance satellites of other nations. Super computers could be used to control many types of clandestine actions and robot tanks and planes could be utilized to avoid human casualties. The US military would certainly have reason to silence any UFO information as General Roger Ramey was alleged to have done at the Roswell crash when he decided to change the crashed object into a "weather balloon." General Thomas DuBoise was a colonel and a chief of staff to Ramey at the time of the Roswell crash, and in the 1999 book, UFO Odyssey, Brad Steiger and Sherry Hansen Steiger tell how Dubois recently admitted that he, along with General Ramey, made up the weather balloon story and dropped a weather balloon from hundreds of feet up to make it look like it had crashed. The book quotes Dubois as saying he thought the story was "a hell of a good idea" (67).
Over the years the US government has done everything in its power to discredit virtually every witness and incident connected with UFO's. As an example, on June 24, 1997, the government "changed" its story again concerning the Roswell affair. The "weather balloon" was now being described as an "espionage balloon" developed for spying on the Soviet Union's nuclear weapons. The alleged finding of alien bodies at the crash scene in 1947, was explained away as "dummies" from a project begun in 1953 to test parachutes. The witnesses who claimed to have seen alien bodies in 1947, were said to have seen military personnel retrieving the dummies from the tests in the 1950's and over the years, became confused about the dates. Maybe those who believe government officials would not conceal the truth about something should remember President "Bill" Clinton denying he had "sex" with Monica Lewinsky; but perhaps H. G. Wells said it best in some of the opening lines in the first chapter of his classic novel War of the Worlds:
"No one would have believed...that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's...that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinized and studied... No one gave a thought to the older worlds of space as sources of human danger, or thought of them only to dismiss the idea of life upon them as impossible or improbable. Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us" (3).
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the_opposition
11/14/2001
22:47:04 | if the universe
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is less than 10,000 years old, then how can we see the light from stars and galaxies that took millions of years to reach us? Don't we have carvings in caves older than 10,000 years old? Through carbon dating, don't we know of skeletons and fossils older than the biblical age of our universe? And didn't we find fossilized life in a meteorite here on Earth that came from Mars? I believe we know it came from there because of its physical composition, which matched that of Mars...
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darkphantom
11/14/2001
23:05:49 | There is much we do not understand
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There is so much we do not understand here on Earth. We can't comprehend the Universe or it's creation really. We can't even comprehend God Himself. If you think about it all seriously it is almost impossible to understand. How could it have all started we think? Didn't there always have to be something there? Yes, and that is God, but to our minds we think even God must have had some beginning but how is that possible? I don't think man will ever know everything, but I do believe that, "With God, ALL things are possible." When you think about the Universe your mind tells you there must be some end to it somewhere, but how can that be? There is always something on the other side it seems. Could the Universe have an end? It is just like a room--when you reach the end of a room (the wall) there is something on the other side. Yet how could the Universe keep going forever, and also how could it have an end? These are things that stagger the imagination and I just don't think we can ever have an answer to it all. It just goes to show how powerful and wonderful God must be.
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darkphantom
11/14/2001
23:24:19 | disaster
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You said in your post above you wrote a paper on UFO's. Why don't you post it here, because I would love to read it?! Do it!!!
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bishop_vlad
11/15/2001
07:55:15 | re: life on other planets and UFOs
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I also believe in life in outer space. I think, as some have said above, that it would be pretty foolish to think that we are the only intelligent beings in the universe. We can't even fathom how enormous the universe is, and say if there is at least one inhabitable planet in our galaxy, think of how many other galaxies may have planets with inhabitants.
As to UFOs, I believe that there is a possibility that aliens visit the earth. Our civilization is only a meager few thousand years old, whereas who knows how old other civilizations elsewhere may be, and who knows how advanced they may be. So, in my opinion, there is a possibility.
Just wanted to let you guys know that I think. I hope this thread continues...
-- Vlad
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zoobrenok
11/15/2001
10:11:56 | is less than 10,000 years old
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Light was created.
In other words - light did not have to go from stars that are trillions years away from us. It was created as if it already came all that way.
Carbon dating iss invalid if you go for long period of time. My understanding is that is well known fact in science.
Personally (not what science said as I don't know), I think that carbon dating assumes that atmosphere on earth was always as today and it was not (once again per Bible - first rain ever ended up with flood).
By the way -- there were NO scientific descoveries that have prooven that Bible is wrong, but only in opposite - they comfirmed Bible facts.
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zoobrenok
11/15/2001
10:13:03 | end to Universe
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If I am not mistaken, science prooves that Unicerse grows every second.
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edmaster
11/15/2001
13:04:21 | UFOLOGY
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I HAVE BEEN STUDYING THIS SUBJECT FOR 25 YEARS!
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baseballman3000
11/15/2001
16:43:55 | Zoobrenok
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In the Bible it mentions god creating man and we do not know if he did this on other planets as well. Also we dont know what likeness we were created in, his mind or body so their could be things that dont look human. Last the Catholic church says that the creation story in Genisis is not necciceraly fact, it is a myth that thas a true religious meaning, God created everything, when is up to the person, if they take 6 days as 6 days then so be it but for the people of the time it was easier to understand that way. almost everything in the Bible is affected by the world around them. if i forgot anything i'll pick it up from ur replies
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calmrolfe
11/16/2001
14:27:30 | Civilisation
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The history of civilisation is a subject which historians and archeologists say they understand perfectly, yet there are enigmas. Seemingly civilisation started with the building of the first city (UR) around 4,000 BC...and yet in Australia they say that the aborigines first arrived in Australia 25,000 years ago. OK, so how did they get there ? The nearest land mass is four days sail away. To get there someone must first conceive the idea of sailing to a new home, then he must convey that idea to others through speech, organise the building of a raft / boat, arrange food supplies and make containers for water etc. This does not fit well with the preconceived ideas of the historians.
And what of the Piri Reis map ? Admiral Piri Reis acquired a map of the ancients and in 1513 he compiled a world map based on that map and on the other antique charts from his collection - many of which had survived from the days of the Great Library of Alexandria.
The content of the map was amazing: it focused on the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast of South America (!) and the northern coast of Antarctica (!!!). The most flabbergasting point is that Antarctic had remained undiscovered until 1818, but its northern coastline, perfectly detailed, was shown on this map drawn in 1513!!!
It shows the land mass that exists under the Antarctic ice cap (and Greenland), which were only visible before 4000BC.
The greatest enigma of them all might be the Sphinx. This much altered monument stands amongst the pyramids of Egypt and has always been regarded as being contemporary to the pyramids. Not so, the sphinx is heavily eroded on it's upper portions (like the pyramids) and it is due to the effects of wind erosion. But, and it is a big but, the lower portions show the classic effects of water erosion. Egypt's rainy period was pre 6000 BC !!, which places the sphinx some 3,000 years + older than the pyramids !!!
Hope this provides some food for thought.
Kind regards,
Cal
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zoobrenok
11/16/2001
18:06:06 | baseballman3000
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I read your post, but I think I am missing your point.. Sorry for this...
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baseballman3000
11/16/2001
18:22:08 | point
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my point is you can belive in God and still think that there are aliens. there is nothing that says u cant. and the church says that evolution may have well occured
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zoobrenok
11/16/2001
18:38:35 | Ok
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OK, got it.
Whether I agree on it or not - is different story.
Because it is really not important whether evolution occured or not.
What is important is that person gets saved by accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Saviour (as per Bible).
Personally - I beleive that even though I know already a lot about this world (from scientific point of view), I will learn more once I get to heaven..
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baseballman3000
11/16/2001
19:29:21 | agree
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I'll agree with that
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richardgee2001
11/17/2001
05:58:23 | Serious question that sounds flippant.
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In the Bible it says that God created man in his own image. If you accept the Theory of Evolution which has been proved beyond reasonable doubt, do you believe God looks like a monkey or an amoeba?
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baseballman3000
11/17/2001
16:24:53 | richard
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His image. We do not know if it was the image of his mind and ability to think and reason and have free will, or if it what he looks like. And if it is what he looks like then evolution could have been his way of creating us.
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darkphantom
11/17/2001
21:17:57 | calmrolfe
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The stuff you mentioned also interests me very much! The Piri Reis map as you said is amazing!!! There is so much we do not understand on earth! I think that it may well be possible that a lot of the scientific stuff is wrong, because I still think that we here on earth are relatively primitive. It boggles the mind thinking about the Sphinx and the pyraminds and so many other things that are ancient here on earth. As baseballman3000 says you can believe in God and alien life. Alien life only makes God even GREATER! I don't think God created this vast universe and had no other life in it besides earth. To think God only put life here on earth is limiting His power (this is my opinion and I don't mean to offend anyone who believes differently). It can just blow your mind to think of the endless possibilities of what could be out there in that huge universe, and all the while it just makes God even GREATER!!!!
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grevious
11/17/2001
21:45:50 | UFO'S
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HOW NAIVE WE WOULD BE TO RULE OUT THE POSSIBILTY OF LIFE ON OTHER PLANETS.
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geordie
11/17/2001
21:57:59 | Some thoughts
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All this chat about alien life and the influence of God in the making of the universe and of us is very interesting.
All we can say at the moment about life on other planets etc. is that it is statistically a stong possibility. There's no direct evidence and, despite the best efforts of SETI and good old Jodie Foster in Contact, we haven't heard the intergalactic doorbell ring yet. If life does exist, it is more than likely that it took a path that led away from intelligent beings who could fathom out the mystery of time travel and visit other parts of the universe. It probably exists in the form of the "primordial soup" that we so often hear about...little more than complex organic molecules fighting to survive in a hostile environment. I doubt if we'll here from ET just yet.
As far as God making us in his own likeness, who's to say that we've actually reached the end of the road in terms of human evolution? It is only in the last one million years that we have existed in a human like form. Evolution is still working on us. Our environment is still changing us. Perhaps God's image is also changing, so he likes us to keep up with him.
It would be interesting to come back in a couple of million years and see what our distant decendents make of us. No doubt they'll look upon us with the same detached curiosity as we do on Homo Erectus or Homo Habilis now.
If the first human like creatures spread out of East Africa some 200,000 years ago, I'm sure they had more than enough time to get around the globe and back again, so the idea that Western Civilisation is responsible for all of the great discoveries is more down to our own arrogance than fact.
Interesting discussion.
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darkphantom
11/17/2001
22:56:31 | That's like those who said the earth was flat.
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Yeah geordie, that is just like those who long ago said the earth was flat and there was nothing more, yet they found living people in the New World. There are TRILLIONS of planets out there and it is absolutely almost impossible to believe that advanced life does not exist on many of them. I am taking astronomy at college this semester and that is precisely what the scientist who teaches our class told us, although he doesn't really believe that they visit earth. The reason he does not believe this is because he said he couldn't understand how they could conquer the problems of space travel from huge distances. Isn't this only looking at things from the prospective of earth and our relatively primitive technology though? Who says other planets, other beings are anything like us and would have to have developed like we have here? As for the evolution theory, our teacher says that is all it is...a theory that is completely unproven...and it is...
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tonlesu
11/18/2001
00:06:20 | Your teacher
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Needs to go back to school!!!
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calmrolfe
11/18/2001
01:11:22 | Poor old Oz, earth isn't flat
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Here in England we have a very healthy rivalry with Australia, we teach them loads of games and then they come back and batter us at them !!
Even so, I can't help but feel sorry for them. When you look at the globe the poor old Aussies have to spend all their time standing upside down, one accidental fall and they would tumble into the sky !!
;0)
Kind regards,
Cal
Perhaps we in the Northern Hemisphere don't appreciate the gravity of their position....
ouch !
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geordie
11/18/2001
02:34:06 | How many planets??
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Trillions of planets? I read an article to say that astronomers had "found" less than 100 planets (I cannot remember the exact figure) and all of those discoveries was based on inferential evidence e.g., minor distortions in the rotational orbit of a star due to the gravitational pull of a suspected planet nearby, or the dimming of certain wavelengths of light in the spectra of a star as a planet passes in front of it etc.
I guess if we make the leap from this bare-bones evidence to believing that the universe is swarming with intelligent alien life just itching to call us or hear from us, then we may as well believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy, as we have as much clear cut evidence that they exist. After all, from the "prospective of earth and our relatively primitive technology", we may as well believe in everything we cannot prove doesn't exist.
I think about the only thing that is clear cut here is the evidence for evolution. Perhaps we haven't got all the connections right yet, but the overall theory is overwhelmingly supported by "rock hard" evidence, if you'll forgive the pun. Any teacher who teaches that evolution is unproven should not be in the classroom.
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danrieke
11/18/2001
22:37:59 | Life on other planets indeed
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What is all this I hear about life on other planets?
Have you all lost your collective minds?!?
Of course there's no life on other planets!
I've been there, so I know.
For one thing, they have chess but knights have to stay on their own color when they jump, so they can never move!
And their cheeseburgers suck.
And their freakin' clothes... damn!
You call that life?
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darkphantom
11/19/2001
11:29:53 | Geordie
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There is no way scientists here on earth CAN discover planets far from our own solar system. Not with the technology today. We do not even know that much about the planets that exist in the Milky Way. We also do not even know hardly anything about Pluto, one of the known planets. I am not going to get into another controversy with you geordie, but perhaps one day we might find a subject we agree on.
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danrieke
11/19/2001
12:53:34 | Error
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They have discovered planets outside our solar system. You can go online to the Hubble web site and see photographs of some of them.
The technology not only exists but is blooming.
The next-generation space telescope should be able to image the lights of cities at night on other planets within 100 light years, if they exist.
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darkphantom
11/19/2001
15:22:01 |
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When I said "trillions of planets" above, what I meant to say was suns. Of course there is debate about whether these suns have planets around them or not. All I was trying to say was that scientists do not really know much of anything about outer-space. They still don't know a lot about Mars even though there have been quite a few probes there. It does seem like there has been too many instances of those probes disappearing, malfunctioning or whatever. And as far as evolution, I still say that it has not been proven. The scientists are still looking for the "missing link" when it comes to man. If anyone wants to believe that man evolved from apes that is okay with me. I have nothing against this. I think someone once tried to trace my ancestors....but my ancestors were too smart--they couldn't catch them! :)
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rayape
11/19/2001
19:41:24 |
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there is nothing wrong with aliens....iam one...zot from zoy alias...rayape
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darkphantom
11/19/2001
20:42:44 | rayape
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And now I have finally heard from one! That proves it people...an alien has spoken, and NO, there is nothing wrong with aliens! :)
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darkphantom
11/19/2001
20:52:09 | geordie
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I have finally found something we both agree on, which is, "Any teacher who teaches that evolution is unproven should not be in the classroom." May I show him your message tomorrow night before our test? I don't care for his teaching anyway, because he is extremely hard, and to pass his tests, one must "agree" with all his theories even if one does not believe in them! After all, from the "prospective of earth and our relatively primitive technology", I "may as well believe in everything" this scientist says! You may be absolutely right as I know you believe you are.
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geordie
11/20/2001
12:37:47 | darkphantom
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I guess when it comes to the test your teacher gives, perhaps you should just give him the answers he wants to see. You don't have to believe in it yourself. Glad we agree on something though :-))
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darkphantom
11/20/2001
22:45:52 | geordie
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Well, I gave him the answers I hope he wanted to see! :) I hope they were the correct answers in his opinion anyway. He IS the strangest and hardest teacher I have ever had. I glad we are finally smiling at one another too! :)
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darkphantom
11/20/2001
22:50:15 | geordie
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I meant to say I'm glad instead of I glad above! Man, I think I need to take English 101 and 102 over again! :) I've been making all kinds of mistakes lately!
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fiancaro
11/21/2001
08:19:19 | Medicine killed evolution
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>As far as God making us in his own likeness, who's
>to say that we've actually reached the end of the
>road in terms of human evolution? It is only in the
>last one million years that we have existed in a
>human like form. Evolution is still working on us.
>Our environment is still changing us. Perhaps
>God's image is also changing, so he likes us to
>keep up with him.
medicine killed evolution...don't get me wrong, i'm diabetic so medicine has saved my life, but the evolving process of only the strong surviving etc. has been stopped by i don't want to say, people like me, but people like me being able to reproduce
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danrieke
11/21/2001
22:45:34 | Hey Ray
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I, too, was an alien once.
Once.
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darkphantom
11/22/2001
22:12:48 | danrieke
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Well danrieke, I am glad you are an Earthling now! But I do have to admit, it is nice to know a couple of aliens! :)
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danrieke
11/28/2001
00:30:50 | What?
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Who said I was an Earthling?
Actually, all kidding aside, Earth isn't a bad planet.
If you like war, crime, disease, famine and international anarchy, that is.
However, the food is great! Just don't drink the water.
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darkphantom
11/30/2001
00:22:55 | danrieke
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Maybe you are not an Earthling (sorry, but you should be! :) ) but what you said in you post above is very true in so MANY ways!!! :) I am scared to drink the water let me tell you that!!! :)
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shallowthought
11/30/2001
08:16:46 | Intelligent life in the universe?
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Certainly no evidence of any on this planet, judging by the some of discussions above.
A friend told me the true story of her mother- and father-in-law who were driving north out of Sydney (that's in Austria, for you Americans, and the place where cricket and rugby were perfected for you Brits) on a long journey. When they got to Winburra (the names have been changed etc etc...), the m-i-l said, do you remember driving through Coolamabulla? F-i-l, said "No, I don't" . "MMmmm," they thought, "that's funny. We normally take note of Coolamabulla, it's such a nice town."
Their conclusion: their minds had been stolen by aliens.
Well, obviously. That's the first conclusion anyone who reads the horoscope would make. Not that she fell asleep or that he was in a typical long-drive bored-out-of-skull trance...
My comment to friend. "The aliens obviously didn't give them their minds back in working order!"
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shallowthought
11/30/2001
09:29:00 | finacaro
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The typical "naturallistic fallacy" most mis-interpretations of evolution fall into is that there is a purpose, or a direction to evolution. Evolution cannot be fooled, because it doesn't care. Nature isn't even looking. Something is not morally right or superior because it "survives" or succeeds, or is natural or organic. (Here drink this cyanide: it's natural!)
Imagine there was once upon a time, a perfectly fine race of intelligent, spiritual, caring people immune to all diseases of their time, (say the one of the australopethicines, robustus or bosei) but who need a warm climate to reproduce. They were going great guns, then say the planet's temperature drops due to yet another asteroid or something 1.5 million years ago. Now only the thick-scrotal-skinned and hairy-crotched monkeys (homo erectus?) survive the ice-age and go on to develop into we humans. Is that an improvement? Irrelevant, but is evolution. Neither good not bad, it just happens. There is no end, no goal to evolution other than for the greater survival of the luckiest to be the aptest genome. Not stronger or weaker necessarily, just surviving, balancing and modifying the native DNA against parasitic usurpers.
In this sense, progress is an illusion. It is all homeostasis on a microscopic level. We still respond on an instinctual level to modern situations as if we were cro-magnons around a cave fire, as the genes which encode out potential behaviour were being put together at that time.
I mean, for all we know the cro-magnons or even those australs could have been just as "smart" as we are now 2 million years ago, but lacked the effect of the multitude of small not necessarily so smart paradigm shifts, and the elaborations and incremental gains of dull drudgery which have generated our contemporary technology in order to express that intelligence in a manner that would be recognizable to their inheritors.
To your specific point, I would say that Medicine doesn't alter evolution, because evolution becomes the result of *whatever* happens.
And since when does diabetes stop you reproducing? Even juvenile diabetics have been known to chase a shag when they get the chance, like my cousins (root-rats one and all). Not to mention my randy diabetic old grand-uncle on one leg hobbling after the nurses in the oldies ward. However when and if (not to mention how?) he catches them, the diabetic angiopathy has done his driller a disservice and not even viagra can put the voom into him.
Then again it could have been those meddling Aliens from Planet Sgfoprfwerf.
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baseballman3000
11/30/2001
13:31:04 | shallowthought
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Not all Americans are stupid, it's mostly the rich, ignorant ones. I've been to Australia and it's a really nice country.
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calmrolfe
11/30/2001
14:59:01 | shallowthought
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I am useless at navigation. I get lost just driving to the Shopping Mall !! Even so, I would have to be on a really bad day to drive out of Sydney and end up in Austria !!
:)
Cal
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edmaster
11/30/2001
17:21:04 | SOME ALIENS WERE MISTAKEN AS ANGELS
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IN OUR ANCIENT HISTORY!THERE IS MORE ON THIS SUBJECT!
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zoobrenok
11/30/2001
17:50:05 | SOME ANGELS WERE MISTAKEN AS ALIENS
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SOME ANGELS WERE MISTAKEN AS ALIENS.
There is no aleins, only angels.
So - there is no UFO also.
Just angels.
In case you think I am wrong - well, all you need to do is to wait untill Judgement Day.
But that you might regret that you've simply waited.
You should get to know Jesus.
Then you will not regret.
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shallowthought
11/30/2001
19:49:01 | Austria/Australia, Jesus/Elvis
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See Jim Carrey in Dumb &Dumber
She: I emm from Owstreea.
He: Austria?! Well g'day mate, put another shrimp on the barbie!
So true...
And hi to all the guys and gals from the USSS John C Steenis who crowded us Hong Kong locals out of the bars in WanChai last night!! It was like instant America. Talk about aliens! I even heard one guy actually say "Deal with it, bro." I wonder what they thought when they saw that Elvis (Melvis actually) is alive and well and living in Hong Kong.
Zoobrenok, get to know Jesus? First of all tell me where he was born, Bethlehem or Nazareth? Get your story straight christians. Get to know the historical Jesus, not the Col Parker media creation as promulgated by Paul/Saul. (That should set the fires going!)
Avoid religion and you avoid war.
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zoobrenok
11/30/2001
20:08:21 | Avoid religion
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Yes, avoid religion, but without Jesus you will burn in hell.
You may think I am an idiot, but hey - time is on my side:
While you are getting older and are preparing to die and vanish, I am preparing to spend eternity with Jesus.
And hey - at the end you will not vanish but will be in hell if you don't know Jesus while I'll be rejoicing.
And about getting my story straight - why don't you read Bible?..
By the way - there is ABSOLUTELY NO reseaches/discoveries that are questioning facts in Bible.
And to answer your question - I do know Jesus. Too bad you don't!
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zoobrenok
11/30/2001
20:09:20 | Avoid religion
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Avoid religion, avoid dead religion - religion is story that is dead. Jesus is alive.
This is difference.
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darkphantom
11/30/2001
23:07:34 | zoobrenok
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Your words are words of wisdom and I agree with you and you get my vote right now! :)
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shallowthought
12/01/2001
01:05:24 | jesus loves me. This eye? no!
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because I was a bible basher as a kid for nearly 20 years of daily study and prayer.
Then lo! my eyes were opened upon the deceipt of the words that were twisting my mind in that book. The bible said the world is white and black, us and them, good and bad, and yet I saw that all around me the world was full of colour and love and life. The bible-pushers said jews were bad, yet the jesus I read about was an ultra-orthodox jew, advocating a return to stricter jewish tradition! The bible-pushers told us young boys that masturbation was evil. Yet the pool of semen in my tissues and the urgency with which I had fought to obtain release produced a pleasant enough experience. The bible people said god is love and god is on our side as they dismembered the innocent children and splayed the brains of those whom they decided to call foe upon the barren ground. And I saw that the foe had said the same and did the same.
Before me lay irony after irony,and my soul was troubled, but that turned out to be indigestion. So verily, I sought the test of the razor of William of Ockam, and this was crucial.
And yeah unto you, I lived without jesus, following the principles of the universal prisoners dilemma, and found that this was indistuingishable from christianity in the choices I made. My life and the lives of those around was happy and filled with deep love, plus we had sundays totally free. And I saw that this was good.
Forsooth, god can be extinguished from our lives and no-one would notice, except for a marked reduction in self-righteous violence, terrorism, revenge, etc etc...
Excepting that there are those who require an emotional opiate to placate the insecurity of their existence because of some emotional mistreatment during toilet training...
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shallowthought
12/01/2001
01:27:30 | zoobrenok old chum
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Actually you are right. Religion is dead and if it hadn't died, mankind would have to kill it... In an ideal world.
Unfortunately I pick up the paper again today and see that everywhere, it is religion that is killing mankind.
Irony of ironies, all is irony.
I have seen Judgment Day. It was a crap movie. Surely if I die I won't go to hell until judgement day. I might have forgotten what I did wrong by then (left my Queen unguarded? castled too early? a4 opening move?). Nor is anyone in heaven yet, except Mary, Elijiah (of the fiery chariot - an alien spaceship!!!!) and a few other bored patriarchs...
Have you seen The Rapture? That was a movie with an interesting spin on the Apocalypse that you bb's might appreciate.
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edmaster
12/01/2001
18:50:52 | READ GENESIS CHAPTER 6!
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THEY ARE NOT ANGELS OR DEMONS OR FALLEN MEN THEY ARE ADVANCED PHYSICAL ALIENS FROM SOMEWHERE OUT THERE!THEY WERE THE FALLEN RACES THAT ALLIED THEMSELVES WITH LUCIFER THE FALLEN ONE WHO TRIED TO OVERTHROW GOD!THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS!TIME AND SPACE!THERE INTENT WAS TO HINDER THE COMING OF THE HOLY ONE JESUS(FAMILY TREE LINAGE) BY ALTERING MANS FUTURE ALSO BY MATING WITH THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN THROUGH IMPLANTING THERE GENETIC MAKEUP INTO MANS!MESSING WITH MANKIND'S GENETIC MAKE-UP!
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shallowthought
12/01/2001
19:50:27 | caps lock
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Just above the shift key on the left...
Sounds like your brain is similarly locked.
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danrieke
12/02/2001
23:00:37 | That's it!
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Enough dribble from the humans!
Tomorrow at noon I shall take over this puny planet!
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shallowthought
12/03/2001
01:13:10 | noon
Message:
was that EST?
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danrieke
12/05/2001
01:52:41 | No
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No, that's in Zort time.
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edmaster
12/05/2001
16:20:48 | TO ZOOBRENOK
Message:
THAT IS THE TRUTH MY FRIEND SOME OF THOSE ALIENS DID JOIN THE REBELLION AGAINST OUR CREATOR BEFORE THE EARTH WAS CREATED!ANGELS ARE ANOTHER FORM OF LIFE GOD CREATED TO!BUT SATAN AND THE EVIL FALLEN RACES FROM OTHER WORLDS OR DEMENSIONS OR BOTH HAVE BEEN DABBLING IN OUR ANCIENT PAST TO ALTER THERE FUTURE FATE ALREADY SEALED IN TIME AS HIS WORD HAS SPOKEN THROUGH THE SCRIPTURES!I CAN GIVE YOU THOUSANDS OF LOGICAL FACTS TO SUPPORT THIS!
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edmaster
12/05/2001
18:45:04 | TO SHALLOWTHOUGHT
Message:
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO ME?I WAS HITCHHIKING ONE CRYSTAL CLEAR NIGHT THROUGH
THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS AND THEN OUT OF NOWHERE A BEAM OF LIGHT APPEARED IN FRONT OF ME AND THIS ALIEN SAID LETS PLAY A(24)GAME CHESS MATCH!I SAID SURE I'LL CRUSH YOUR INTERGALACTIC SKULL OVER THIS INTERSTELLER
CHESSBOARD OF YOURS!AND THE MATCH WAS ON!
I WON! AND HE GAVE ME THE RUN DOWN ON THE HISTORY AND ORIGINS ON(32) DIFFERENT KINDS OF INTELLIGENT LIFEFORMS IN OUR GALAXY AND THEN GAVE ME THE BIG COSMIC SCOOP ON WHATS HAPPENING WITH GOD THESE TIME DAYS!AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT CHESS COMRADES THERE IS ALOT GOING ON THAN WHAT HOMO SAPIENS EYES CAN SEE!PUT IT IN CHESS TERMS THE UNIVERSE IS LIKE A THREE LAYERED GIANT 64 SQUARE 8TH DEMENSIONAL CHESSBOARD IN TIME AND SPACE AND PLANET EARTH IS A CHESS PIECE!TAKE A GUESS WHAT CHESS PIECE IT IS?YEP!YOU GUESSED IT!ITS THE KING!AND GOD IS MAKING HIS MOVE!:)
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dj222
12/05/2001
19:24:12 | Why from another panet?
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Consider that they are from the future of earth and have mastered time travel. If physics states that time travel is possible in theory then given enough time wouldn't science make it possible? The most logical and believable books giving explanations about UFO's that I have read (and the total numbers about 20!) offer this explanation.
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edmaster
12/05/2001
19:35:56 | DID I SAY WHERE HE CAME FROM?
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HE IS FROM THE FUTURE FROM A KINGDOM ON PLANET EARTH!AND GUESS WHAT?GOD MADE HIS MOVE!YEP?THE MOVE!AND WE ALL KNOW THE MOVE!THIS MOVE WAS MADE BY THE HAND OF GOD HIMSELF!REMEMBER HIS CHESS MOVES ON THE CHESSBOARD HAS TO DO TIME AND SPACE!OBVIOUSLY GOD WON!AND OUT OF MOUTH HE SPOKE AND MADE HIS MOVE!CHECKMATE SUCKER!
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edmaster
12/05/2001
19:39:05 | TO FELLOW ASTRONOMERS AND UFOLOGIST
Message:
REMEMBER THE DRAKE PRINCIPLE!
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dj222
12/05/2001
20:19:46 | Hey Ed man
Message:
Your almost within 400 points.... wanna play?
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zoobrenok
12/06/2001
13:17:11 | to edmaster
Message:
as far as i understand, some people here are trying to say that aliens and fallen angels are not the same.
And this is my point in certain sense as well:
There is no UFO and life on another planets.
There are fallen angels headed by satan who like to mess up with people minds.
But of course Bible is not lying to us and we will have perfect knowledge on Judgment Day.
The only question is: When Judgment Day comes, on what side you would rather be?..
I made my choice. Now it is up to you folks...
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edmaster
12/06/2001
16:50:23 | ANGELS AND ALIEN LIFEFORMS
Message:
THE FALLEN ALIENS WHOM ARE ON SATANS SIDE SERVE HIS PLANS AND ONE OF HIS PLANS WERE FOR THEM TO MATE WITH THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN IN ANCIENT TIMES
SINCE NO ANGELS CANNOT HAVE SEX WITH HUMANS SO THE ALIENS FULLFILLED THIS EVIL PLAN TO INTERFERE WITH THE GENETICS OF MANKIND WHICH PRODUCED A VERY INTELLIGENT AND PHYSICALLY STRONGER MEN WHICH LED TO THERE ARROGANCE AGAINST THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR THE OFFSPRING ALSO WERE LOOKED UPON AS GODS BY MORTAL MEN(THEY WERE KNOWN AS MEN OF REKNOWN,WISE MEN)GODS SOLUTION WAS THE FLOOD!ALSO AS WELL AS THE ALIENS WERE CALLED GODS,AS WELL AS BEEN CALLED DEMONS OR ANGELS FROM GOD WHICH WAS A DECEPTION ON SATANS PART TO GET MEN AWAY FROM THE REAL GOD!THROUGH MANS PAST HISTORY WHEN THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND TRUE KNOWLEDGE OF SCIENCE THESE ALIENS AND SATAN USED MANS IGORANCE TO DECIEVE MAN THROUGH MANY METHODS BY APPEARING TO THEM INTENTIONALLY AND USING MANY METHODS OF SCIENCE WHICH APPEARED TO MEN AS GODLIKE THIS IS HOW MANY RELIGIONS BEGAN!THE GODS CAME FROM THE SKIES!I AM STILL WRITING A HUGE THESIS ON THIS!THE PUZZLE IS COMING TOGETHER THEN PATTERNS FALLING INTO PLACE!
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baseballman3000
12/06/2001
16:54:06 | edmaster
Message:
Turn off the caps!!!!
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edmaster
12/06/2001
17:34:28 | TO BASEBALLMAN3000
Message:
I HAVE ALWAYS TYPED IN CAPS!GOD DOES NOT CARE!THIS IS NOT A MORAL ISSUE PAL!OR IS THIS ONE OF YOUR AMERICAN VALUE POLICIES TO CONTROL ME!I AM DECENT HUMAN BEING AND I THINK THERE ARE ALOT MORE PROBLEMS YOU SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON THAN MY CAPS!
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edmaster
12/06/2001
17:38:54 | TO DARKPHANTOM
Message:
YOU FORGOT CAPTAIN MANTELL WHO CHASED A UFO OVER KENTUCKY IN HIS JETPLANE AND HIS PLANE WAS DESTROYED WHILE CHASING IT!
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darkphantom
12/06/2001
23:49:26 | Edmaster
Message:
Yeah you are right, but I know that story really well. What you said in some of your posts above were very interesting, especially concerning the mating with humans. In fact, I asked about that passage in the Bible in my thread, "Who is on God's side?" Edmaster, don't get mad at me for saying this, but you could try to turn off the capital letters and just use capitals to emphasis the most important parts of your messages that you think are important. It is okay with me though if you want to type your messages in all capital letters. It took me a while to learn that people consider that "yelling" at them. Now understand me, I wasn't trying to be mean by saying that to you, and I have to say that I do agree with some of the things you say. :)
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shallowthought
12/07/2001
11:00:15 | ed man truly the caps are a pane
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Skyentific research has demon-strated that god gave us the caps lock key for a reason... to use it with wisdom, for verily it is easier to recognize the Roman Script in ... flick what's the opposite of capitals? small type.
And that was a good story, but you said you saw a light and then "this" alien (as opposed to "that" alien) spoke to you. But now I am lost in the forest, because: like, what alien? Light, alien, what's it going to be? Was the alien IN the lght, or was the alien THE light? Or was it next to the light. Or BEHIND the light. Or was the light just interesting and you thought you'd mention it, and the alien had nothing it do with the light or what????
As the dime-machine Jesus said in THX-1138 - "can you be more........ specific?"
My problem with aliens ands stuff, is how come they only meet up with a bunch of dorks (no 'fense intended) in the country-side the like of my friends' in laws? Haven't they worked out the concept of the city?
And how come in the Bible, its ok to kill women and children? In fact how come its ok to kill men, or to pick on guys with pituitary problems like poor old Goliath? And what if your stones were crushed through no fault of your own, and then you like, had an appointment in the holy of holies, could someone cover for you?
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danrieke
12/07/2001
18:07:16 | Edmaster
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Ed, the point that baseballman is making with the CAPS is...
it just makes it harder to read and understand what you say.
CAPS ARE HARDER TO READ. THAT'S WHY BOOKS ARE WRITTEN IN UPPER/LOWER CASE.
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baseballman3000
12/07/2001
20:19:49 | Exactly
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That is my point exactly, and it would be nice if Edmaster would stick to the topic of this thread. If you want to know what he is talking about against me check out the Traitors in America thread.
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rbibrett
12/07/2001
20:45:25 | EDMASTER
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i'm serious when i say that writing in all caps is a lot harder to understand than writing in lower case. i totally agree with baseballman3000 and danrieke and shallowthought
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edmaster
12/08/2001
16:38:24 | I AM JOKING ON MY CLOSE ENCOUNTER
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:)
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edmaster
12/08/2001
16:45:14 | AS LONG AS THE CAPITLIST HELP THERE OWN
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I HAVE NO PROBLEM FOR CAPITALISM TO BE SOCIALIZED!THE CATHOLIC POPOE AND MANY EUROPEAN CALL OUR BRAND OF CAPIALISM VERY SAVAGE!CALLED AMONG SCHOLARS (SAVAGE CAPITALISM)OBVIOUSLY CAPITALISM DOED NOT PROMOTE CHRISTIAN IDEALS!
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shallowthought
12/08/2001
18:50:46 | edmaster - politics?
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which post are you reading? this one or the one orn baseballman's thread?
in protest to you shouting in capitals, i am going to use softly-spoken lower case... but did i tell you about my big stick?
actually i consider it a statistical certainty that there is life elsewhere in the universe, ("there are bbbbbillions and bbbbbillions of planets") but i consider it ridiculous that they would be interested in us, could get to us, and would harrass some guy in kentucky. not even god has shown any interest for quite a few millenia. (not counting publicity hungry peasant children or bleeding statues)
from some theoretical work in physics the rate of flow of time could altered by changing the speed of light (the cosmological constant). this is helps to explain some of the calculations concerning the first few nanoseconds after the big bang. using some of feynman's theorisings you could time travel, but the passage would always be backward in time and never forward.
hawkings wormhole theory of space travel beyond speed of light constraints rankles with me because it is just an extrapolation of an analogy. the universe is not a 3d graph with peaks than might touch, because the peaks represent density in one area, not some new coordinates of positions in space.
other than that i have no opinion.
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baseballman3000
12/09/2001
08:16:09 | Time Travel
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We are always traveling through time but it is always forward. For instance while I am typing this post I am constantly moving forward in time. This post is now the past as I continue to travel forward in time.
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edmaster
12/09/2001
20:49:47 | TO SHALLOWTHOUGHT
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II'LL SHOW YOU MY BIG CHESS PIECE PAL OVER A CHESSBOARD!YOUR KING'S SKULL IS MINE!
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cheetah
12/10/2001
04:31:22 | interesting
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I find wisdom in shallowtought's words and will try to avoid repeating them but I mostly agree with him.
We shouldn't mix religion and science. I don't think science will ever kill religion because there will always be questions without answer. I do not find the need to always have an answer for all my questions, but I dont believe in my speculations. Is there life on other planets? Probably yes, why not. Did they visited us? I don't believe UFO's visited us, there isn't one single credible evidence of such thing, and as I've said before, the beliefe in UFO's was influenced by western culture, movies, books etc. A hundred years ago people didn't talked about them. It's just so obvious to me. Here in Portugal a TV station made an simple experience. They projected strange light beams over a small village lost in the hils of Portuguese interior. The next day they interviewed the population. Not only lot's of them believed they saw flying things but some of them actually saw alliens. Funy stuff.
In debates the people who defend UFO theories always have some sort of religious feeling, they defend it like a cause, as if believing in UFO's was some sort of faith you had. Until this is like that It wont convince me, sorry, it's just my opinion.
best regards
Lou
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baseballman3000
12/10/2001
14:23:05 | Science and Religion
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My Bible teacher said this today about the two. He said that Science and Religion are like brother and sister because the older sibling, science, is looking at the younger sibling to see if it is telling the truth and they most of the time go along pretty well but they will not merge or become one because if they do it would be really messed up.
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darkphantom
12/11/2001
01:11:14 | Cheetah
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I just can't agree with your statement, "there isn't one single credible evidence of such thing, and as I've said before, the beliefe in UFO's was influenced by western culture, movies, books etc. A hundred years ago people didn't talked about them."
There are many credible accounts that are not absolute, but credible never-the-less. Many witnesses to UFO's are credible people--policemen, government officials, private individuals, Jimmy Carter, etc.
A hundred years ago, people did talk about them and even longer ago than that--much longer in fact. There are even accounts in the Bible that may very well be UFO sightings. What about all those ancient images that look just like UFO's in caves that have been discovered? I hardly think that every single person who has seen unidentified flying objects (and even aliens) are lying. That really would stretch the imagination too far. In my opinion and also in the opinion of many scientists, it is absurd to think that there are not other civilizations out there, and since many are probably much older than our civilization, then there is no reason to think they would not have the technology to have developed transportation that could visit our relatively primitive planet. This is just my opinion though. I actually saw an unidentified flying object when I was a very young teenager. I was flying a kite on an extremely windy day in a field next to our house. As I turned around and looked up into the sky, there was a spheroid shaped, silvery, metallic looking object in the sky. It was completely stationary. It was a little smaller than the full moon looks and I will never forget it. It was completely stationary in the sky. I absolutely froze for several moments. I ran and told my parents and they came out to see it. My dad, who never really believed in UFO's was astonished. He called the television station (our local one) and they said that many people had called in about it. They also said they checked with the proper authorities, and were told that it was a "weather balloon." I think that is what every UFO report is explained as--a weather balloon. My dad said he did not believe this, because it showed nothing hanging beneath it, it was also completely still (did not move even in extremely windy conditions), and was also metallic looking. Anyway it stayed stationary for quite some time (about 30 minutes or so) and then finally moved off and disappeared. My dad said that a "weather balloon" would not remain stationary so long under such windy conditions, and also that we might possible be able to see the instruments hanging beneath it, if it was close enough to appear that large. I don't know really what it was, but I have never forgotten it. I don't accept the explanation of "weather balloon" because I have done research about them and find this sighting inconsistent with a weather balloon. I don't know what it was, but I don't think it was a weather balloon. As far as the Roswell incident, much of it is documented and I hardly can believe that ALL of the witnesses are lying.
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cheetah
12/11/2001
02:53:34 | darkphantom
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I'm not saying that the witness are lying. Has I have said before I believe those people believe they saw what they saw.
Policeman, government officials, private individuals, Jimmy Carter, are just as credible as you and me.
I believe in the theory that stuff like the Roswell incident was manipulated by USA military to make the russians believe they had Alien Technology at their reach during the cold war. Those people in that Portuguese vilage were not lying, the DID saw UFO's cause UFO's are unedentified flying objects.
I think it's very plausible that there are civilisations out there, the Universe is imense.
I don't think the Bible shoud count for a plausible source of UFO sightings, I don't think it should be interpreted that way also.
What I'm trying to say is that It's kind of strange, to say the least, that UFO sightings and alien descriptions match the same things we saw created by George Orwell and other creators. I don't remember the name of the astronomist who first spoted canals in Mars that looked like made by a civilisation and that launched an UFO and alien euforia in the USA. Before those times there wasn't a single description of a flying socer, not one, but after the books and movies all of the sudden, an ancient civilisation from thousands of light years away, choses Earth, choses mostly USA, and mostly certains parts of USA , and shows up and reveals it self litle by litle perfoming exactly the things we would expect them to do from all our sci-fi movies.
I think if some civilisation had the power to get here, darkphantom, do you think they would go around USA floating, showing up here and there near USA military basis, then hiding, somethimes crashing (!?) , sometimes kidnaping midle class people to perform experiences etc etc...
I belive you saw something that looked just like you described it. I just don't believe it's something from an advanced civilisation who traveled thousands of light years here and decided to float in the air in front of you, that day.
Please continue the discussion, I think it's very interesting!
your buddy
Lou
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baseballman3000
12/11/2001
18:46:17 | This isn't nessecerally what I believe but...
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If you believe what some people say, that aliens have been watching us for thousands of years through their influence of the pryamids and stonehenge as well as their lost city of Atlantis. If you believed this then they would have by now seen how the US like going around the world and has an influence on the way the world works, they also have been to Britian, another world power. Like humans they would like to know what makes an animal tick so they take people from prosperous contries, where people are most likely to think them insane rather than having had an out of this world experience, and conduct experiments on them to find out how a human's body works. And something archetypal about alien encounters is the bright light so maybe people just copy off one another to attempt making the headlines or maybe, just maybe, the aliens have formed a league and plan to invade after they have gathered eneough information on us! AHHHHH! :)
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darkphantom
12/11/2001
22:13:34 | More on UFO's
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Cheetah: I did not mean to say that you said the witnesses were all liars. The name of the person who first spotted the "canals" on Mars was
Schiaparelli. Lowell also thought this was true. This is what I have been studying in Astronomy class this semester. In fact there have been huge numbers of reports of UFO's before these men came along. Here are some I researched from various sources:
“On the fifth of that month, at two o’clock in the afternoon, they saw three globes of light in the sky above, which at first they took to be weather-galls but which increased in brilliance until twelve tall men in clean and bright attire crossed the valley.”
A typical UFO report. And as we all know, UFO reports started in 1947. But this report is taken from John Prebble’s book “Culloden”, the full extract starts “In August 1748, before the Town Council of Aberdeen, eleven men and women swore to the truth of a vision which they said they had seen in a valley five miles to the west of the City.”
DATE : 810
LOCATION : Aachen, France
The emperor Charlemane was thrown by his horse which was startled by a huge gleaming sphere that came down from the sky.[1]
DATE : 840
LOCATION : Lyon
Archbishop Agobard of Lyons writes about the execution of three men and a woman who came from ships which had come down from the sky.[6]
DATE : 1180 October 27
LOCATION : Kii province, Japan
A luminous object flew from a mountain at around midnight. The object disappeared to the south leaving a trail in the sky.[10]
DATE : 1207
LOCATION : Tilbury
Gervase of Tilbury writes in Otio Imperialia about an aerial ship which caught its anchor on a pile of stones. An occupant came down from the ship and managed to free it, however he was asphyxiated by the atmosphere. The similarity to the Cloera story from 1211 is striking.[6]
DATE : 1211
LOCATION : Cloera, Ireland
Strange object in the sky dropped an anchor which caught on a church roof. Witnesses describe a man descending the rope to cut free the anchor. The villagers attempted to capture the man, but the bishop forebade this and the man escaped back up the rope.[6]
DATE : 1254 January 1
LOCATION : St Albans
Monks saw a " kind of large ship" .[2] John Cleary-Baker quotes the Chronica Majori of Matthew of Paris which states " ...... there appeared in the air, marvellous to relate, elegantly shaped, equipped and of marvellous colour." [13]
DATE : 1290
LOCATION : Byland Abbey, Yorkshire
This case comes from the Ampleforth manuscript which was discovered in 1953. Monks recorded that a large silver disk flew slowly over them. There was some suggestion that this case may be a modern fake report, however, an item in a BUFORA Journal notes that the late H.T.Wilkins found a report which appears to be the same incident in the Chronicle of William of Newburgh.[2,3,4,
DATE : 1520
LOCATION : Erfurt, Prussia
Two burning suns were observed. The report says that a great burning beam then landed, took off again and then became circular in shape.[2]
DATE : 1561 April 14
LOCATION : Nuremberg, Germany
A number of cylindrical objects were seen in the early morning sky. Red, orange, black and blue-white spheres and disks emerged from these cylinders.[7] A famous woodcut depicting this incident is shown above.
DATE : 1619
LOCATION : Fluelan, Switzerland
A witness saw a long bright object flying along a lake.[2]
DATE : 1686 July 9
LOCATION : Leipzig, Germany
Astronomer Gottfried Kirch observed a burning globe with a tail at 1:30 in the morning. He observed it for an eighth of an hour. He reports that it was about half the diameter of the moon and emitted enough light that you could read without
a candle.[2]
DATE : 1762 August 9
LOCATION : Lausanne, Switzerland
A huge spindle shaped object was seen crossing in front of the sun by two seperate observatories.[2]
DATE : 1777 June 17
LOCATION : France
Astronomer Charles Messier saw a number of dark round objects.[2]
DATE : 1790 June 12
LOCATION : Alencon, France
At 5 am a group of peasants observed an enormous globe which crashed into a hilside. The object started a number of grass fires and was warm to the touch. [9]
DATE : 1820 September 7
LOCATION : Embrun, France
A number of objects passed over the town, maintaining formation whilst executing a ninety degree turn.[2]
DATE : 1825
LOCATION : Poland, Ohio
A brilliant object was visible in the sky for more than an hour.[6]
This is just a VERY SMALL sample. As you can see, NONE of these reports are from the USA, and some of these reports are from astronomers. There are so many reports from long ago that I could not even begin to list them. These reports are WAY before the "canals of Mars" discovery, and WAY, WAY before movies and stuff like that. I don't think that the majority of UFO sightings are in the USA at all. Are your comments about the majority of the sightings being in the USA supposed to mean that Americans are "nutty" or something? :) I don't mean that bad Cheetah, but it kind of sounds like you mean it that way. Also there have been so MANY sightings in your own country of Portugal that I could not begin to list them all. Here are some:
Portugal UFO Sightings Page 2
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03-07-1970 Hour: 4:00 pm Paredes de Coura-Viana do Castelo
Source Info.: "Seculo" 8.3.70 A mysterious object was seen hovering over this village. People got out to the streets to observe the phenomenon which was seen for four hours.
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03-26-1970 Hour: 6:00 am Leiria
Source Info.: "Comercio do Porto" 27.3.70 The witnesses observed a strange glowing object in the sky. It was hovering and disappeared at dawn.
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09-28-1970 Cidade da Horta
Source Info.: "Seculo" 29.9.70 A strange object was seen moving across the sky.It radiated a bright white light.
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12-10-1970 Hour: 7:30 am Elvas
Source Info.: "Seculo" 11.12.70 A blue glowing object was seen moving across the sky.
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05-??-1971 Olhao-Algarve
Source Info.: "Seculo" 30.5.71 For a few nights, the population from from this city observed several nocturnal lights with a spherical shape which changed to an "8".
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07-29-1971 Hour: 10:00 pm Sobreda da Caparica
Source Info.: "Seculo" 30.7.71 People who live in this area were surprised by the appearence of a glowing object surrounded by a halo,in the sky.
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06-15-1972 Hour: 11:15 pm Vimioso
Source Info.: "Seculo" 16.7.72 The people from this area observed a UFO projecting a powerful source of light. It was flying quite fast.
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09-20-1973 Hour: 10:30 pm Alijo-Vila Real
Source Info.: "Insolito" #39 The witness was driving along with his wife and sister-in-law when he heard a noise followed by a flash that showed a small disc-shaped object of 1meter in diameter flying toward his automobile. The object passed by and vanished. He kept driving and the car started experiencing some difficulties to pursuit the trip. Four or five km ahead the lights on the car illuminated a bullet-shaped object in the middle of the road, it was green, 4 to 5 cm in length by 2 cm width. The witness slowed down his car and contoured the object which gave them an opportunity to observe two un moving entities facing the road. They were about 5 feet tall, wearing a bright leaded-type suit, carried a camping bag type on their shoulders with some sort of aerial and red light on the top of it. They also heard some voice generated sounds that were followed by the floating of the entities. The witness kept on his way driving to Vila Real.
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11-02-1973 Vila Real St. Antonio-Algarve
Source Info.: "Jornal do Comercio" The witnesses, fishermen, were on board their boat, when they observedthree orange disc-shaped UFO's hovering over the boat. One of them hovered so close that Mr. Salas decided to turn on a spotlight and point it to the object, which made it move away from the boat. At times they thought the UFO's were going to hit the boat. This event lasted more than two hours.
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11-09-1973 Hour: 8:15 pm Funchal
Source Info.: "Diario Popular" The witness observed a strange object in the sky. It flew three times faster than a conventional jet and left a luminous track behind about 100 to 150 meters long. The witness estimated the object to be 600 to 800 meters above the ground. Due to its speed was not possible to identify its shape.
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11-30-1973 Hour: 9:30 pm Vila Real Sto. Antonio-Algarve
Source Info.: "Diario de Noticias" A strange orange disc-shaped object was seen over this city. At a certain point the object made a "V" shaped turn.
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11-30-1973 Lisbon
Source Info.: "Diario de Noticias" Several luminous objects were observed over the city.
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??-1974 Hour: 8:15 pm Rio Tinto-Oporto
Source Info.: Mario Neves The witness, aged 14,was at his house backyard with a couple of family members when he heard a loud noise followed by a black out. He ran outside and saw a saturn-shaped object 50 meters away. It was 6.5 meters in diameter and 4 to 4.5 meters height, radiated light beams of several colors and its top was transparent allowing 4 or 5 entities to be visible by the witness. They were wearing dark frogman suit, their heads were covered by helmets, they were about 5 feet tall and had a humanoid configuration. During the observation the witness felt paralyzed and lost sense of time. By the time the object took off all his faculties were recovered and electrical power was restored.
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01-25-1974 Sagres - Algarve
Source Info.: CEAFI (Lisbon) The witnesses were flying in an airplane of the Portuguese Airways Company (TAP), a "Boeing 707", from Lisbon to Cabo Verde and Las Palmas. Over the Portuguese coast (Sagres), the cmdt. Rodrigo Freitas was alerted by the flight mechanic technician, Francisco Duarte, because of the existence of a few strange lights in front of them. Mr. Freitas said that there was a formation of five lights or objects who formed a central block. Two of the lights were spinning. The phenomenon left a trail behind. The event took place 80 miles away of the airplane. At that point the Boeing was flying at a speed of 900 Km/H and was 19000 ft above ground. The objects, or lights, were reported to be 16000 ft higher. They tried to find out if somebody else from another airplane had seen the phenomenon and they got the information that another crew from a South African Airways airplane had observed the same event 40 minutes before. Knowing the other airplane's position, Mr. Rodrigo Freitas calculated that the phenomenon had moved at a speed of 36000 Km/H. Later, Mr. Freitas made a report which was sent to NASA in the U.S.A., as was usual in this kind of observation.
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01-26-1974 Lisbon
Source Info.: "Diario de Noticias" A Swedish airline pilot, Capt. Lars Berglund, made a statement to the"Skaanska Dagbladet" newspaper concerning the observation of 10 to 15 unknown objects across the sky when he was flying over Lisbon, from Las Palmas to Scandinavia. The objects were flying in a straight line 20 Km above the ground. The witness said that the crews from three other airplanes, portuguese, norwegian and english observed the same phenomenon.
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02-25-1974 Hour: 6:30 am Tomar
Source Info.: "Diario de Noticias" After finishing work, Mr. Silva was going home when he saw a ball offire in the sky.
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03-02-1974 Hour: 7:25 am Lisbon
Source Info.: "Capital" 2.3.74 Two workers on the Bridge "25 de Abril" observed a bright and fast ufo flying across the sky.
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03-23-1974 Hour: 2:00 am Avis
Source Info.: "Diario de Noticias" Several people working at a dairy observed a ufo following a blackout
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04-16-1974 Beja-Alentejo
Source Info.: "Seculo" A three meters diameter object was seen in the sky.
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03-??-1975 Hour: 8:00 pm S. Romao do Coronado-Santo Tirso
Source Info.: "Jornal de Noticias" The witness observed a cigar-shaped object in the sky.
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03-??-1975 Aveiro
Source Info.: "Jornal de Noticias" A cigar-shaped object was seen by the witnesses. It flew at high speed and was visible for a few seconds.
That is just a small amount of UFO's seen over Portugal. I am sure you will disagree with me, but those are the reports, and there must be a lot of people (including astronomers) who are very mis-informed if they believe in UFO's. :)
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cheetah
12/12/2001
11:33:01 | darkphantom
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Most of those sightings occured during the 70's. I saw the site containing that database, some go way back etc, but I couldn't confirm them on other online sources.
I also found links like 'A little about the different types of Aliens that are here now or have visited ' so I don't think it's very acurate or reliable. I get dozens of e-mails warning me about drugs that dont exist, crimes that never hapened, people who need blood tipe A+ and don't exist etc...
There is of course UFO's sightings that I can remember here. There is this case of two air force pilots who described something very strange flying around them.
I was very excited to hear them describe what they saw. I can't remember much of it but it was very interesting, they shure didn't look like if they were making things up, speacially cause they didn't claimed it was an alien ship, they just describe what it looked like.
I also must tell you that in 1974 Portugal on the edge of democracy after a revolution that knock down the fascist government that had launched the population into poverty and complete ignorance. A large majority of the population couldn't read or write, you may say that doesn't make them less credible, well I think it does.
I've seen with my very own eyes this sort of phenomena. In my vilage, on early 80's I remember a sun eclipse. The people on the village all believed that if you looked into the sun you would see Virgin Mary's face before turning blind. Some of them actually claimed they saw Jesus Christ face on the darkened Sun.
Nowadays they gather to my house and take a look trough my telescope (with a total aperture filter) and they see the Sun and I explai |
